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  • GCkiTaisi
    05-01 05:42 PM
    I am an Indian Tamil and firmly believe that both LTTE and Lankan Army are at fault here. LTTE's tactics have always been to use human cover and the Lankans are guilty of using heavy artillery on civilians. In fact not all the civilians are innocent, some of them are LTTE proponents who prefer to stick with them till their last breath to further promote what is called as Lankan atrocities to the world.

    I totally support the Tamil Ealam cause, but the method LTTE has taken would have never gotten them there at the first place. As a country, India should have been a bit more proactive and involved than just supplying arms to the Lankans (which was anyways done to prevent the Lankans from going to the Pakistan or China). So the Indians are just watching the tamasha -- and it is really unfortunate.

    How does it bother the Tamilians of India? They are crossed between supporting for Tamil Ealam, death of innocent Tamilians and assassination of Rajiv Gandhi and this leads to mixed feelings. Ideally I would want to see Prabhakaran hanged and Srilankan Tamilians meeting their 3 decade old goals.





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  • mihird
    10-09 03:34 PM
    I too am in the US for 6 years now and because my lawyer insisted on transferring to H1 status from TN before filing the GC (wasted a full year in that waiting for the quota to open up), it has gotten me to this state...

    Overall, I still feel, its cleaner to go from H1 to GC. TN to GC requires careful planning and deeper understanding of the laws. Strictly going by the books though, TN is not a dual intent status, so the road to the GC might get murcky...





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  • nashim
    10-12 05:32 PM
    I don�t have money to buy a house now but I think the idea is really great because waiting line will be shorter for the person who can�t buy a house now like me, if people get GC based on this proposal.





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  • lazycis
    02-16 10:11 PM
    Read complaint from NGWANYIA v. ASHCROFT case, you will find a lot of similarities with the current situation
    http://www.ailf.org/lac/lac_lit_101802.pdf

    Also those who are interested in active participation, please join yahoo group by sending e-mail to visa-recapture-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
    All we need is one or two members who have time and desire to start the process.



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  • transpass
    09-03 05:28 PM
    Well, lemme give my 2 cents as I am from AP and follow politics very closely...I CAN TELL ONE THING - IF EVERYONE HAS THE SAME FACTS ABOUT SOME ISSUE, ESP. WITH ABOUT A PERSON, EVERYONE PRETTY MUCH COMES TO THE SAME CONCLUSION. So here are some of the facts, some first hand and some knowing by hailing from the area...

    I have first hand accounts about the person....There are corrupt guys and then there was YSR...to the extent most of you would not even believe!!! One of my friends was a police officer, and told me that YSR openly used to intimidate them if they did not oblige...

    It's funny someone mentioned that he had a vision, democratically elected etc., etc...My other friend comes from the same town as he, and told me how he literally 'ruled' the place with thuggery, force, intimidation, power, etc...

    Oh yeah sure he was a doctor...Did he not buy that degree through donation education from Karnataka, during good old days?

    Someone mentioned he was self made...He..Hee...He came from a well to do family, and then he made millions more through corruption, mining mafia, land grabbing, etc.

    We already have (too much) religious stuff playing politics in India. Instead of separating religion from politics, he took it up a notch...We have govt. paying the hajj pilgrims and now he was trying to have govt. pay for people who visit vatican...Sure, everybody is free to practice his/her own religion, but why should the tax payers pay for these trips?

    During the first term, it is a known fact that he allocated tons of treasury resources and govt. projects to his native area, even though other parts of the state desparately needed them...

    He sidelined other congress leaders in the state so that he would not have another voice...so much so that even though congress won many more lok sabha seats in AP than in TN, he made sure that no more than one or two MPs from AP become members of central cabinet (compared to 4 or 5 from TN congress and dmk alliance), so that he would not have a rival with power in AP. Forget about the other developmental benefits that AP could have availed by having central cabinet ministers. This is not a speculation, but following the way he ascended in politics, and the way he operates, it's not a rocket science to conclude that...

    When real estate in hyd exploded, he had his goons coming from his native place, illegally occupying the private land and govt. land alike. His brother and his goons are forcibly buying private land through intimidation. The sob even issued G.O. retroactively to pretty much legalize and take care of those forcible buyings.

    And by the way did I mention how many died since he turned politics into a sort of blood sport in Cuddaph district? People are already talking about making his son the CM. This is height of degeneration...What a pity...

    Now you might say, that's how it works in Indian politics, etc...But think about this way...

    He was a corrupt guy to the core, governs like a dictator, amasses ill-gotten wealth, eliminates rivals through intimidation and killings...In the process, none of the ordinary people did not have any betterment in their lives over the past 5 yrs. (with the exception of a few of his loyalists) and funny that the Indian new papers (or rather we should call them tabloids) are dubbing him 'Man of the people', etc.

    NOW TELL ME IF IT'S NOT A GOOD RIDDANCE, WHAT ELSE IS IT? I am not a proponent of someone dying an untimely death, but I am happy that it's a good riddance from the perspective of seeing an end to these dirty deeds, atleast from one person...I am positive everyone would atleast come to this conclusion...





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  • thepaew
    12-13 04:46 PM
    It will be a total waste of effort. Congress has exclusive purview to regulate relations, commerce, etc. with foreign nations. No lawyer/court can provide quick fix and the case will not be heard.

    No shortcuts guys!! For any real change we have to convince the US Congress and the Executive Branch. And that involves time, commitment and money.

    It will be a waste of money. The US does not have to allow any immigration if it chooses so. Do you realize that getting a GC is not a right, but a privelege? It's a matter of grace and no court has jurisdiction to review if government says "no".



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  • _TrueFacts
    09-03 11:40 PM
    We cannot judge when some one who is no more. No court will punish any one after death. If he is bad, he will face the final JUDGEMENT with every one.

    That's is what YSR has met with, what you call final Judgment. His head, legs chopped. In our language we call Kukka Chavu.





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  • reachinus
    07-31 01:09 PM
    Think you are too busy to answer my question. Anyway thanks for your time and reply atleat for 1 time.

    Hello Atty, Hope you can reply to my question as well. Please let me know if I should contact the CBP and tell them about this or just ignore.

    Thanks for your time in advance.



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  • desi3933
    06-16 04:33 PM
    Where did you get that 80k number? You think 80k is good salary for that job, someone else may say 65k, I may say 90k. The salary, among other things, is determined by market forces. If you can't find enough people with xyz then company will be forced to offer more.

    As long as there are people who are ready to work on salary 52k (example), employer will not pay 70k. As long as employer is following all the legal requirements, no one can dictate salary for the job.

    I agree that the employer will pay the salary that is consummate with the market. No well meaning employer will undercut to save a few pennies at the risk of losing out on quality.
    What if the market pay scales are distorted through pervasive fraud ? If you look at it from an employer's view, it gets murkier. Believe it or not, low cost always signal lower quality. Trust me this is marketing 101. Google low cost and the perceptive signals. It is truly tough for the employer to trust the low cost employee's skillset.

    Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud. Like other industries such as manufacturing/agriculture etc, IT wages are destined to decline but not at this rate. The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living. So per your argument, yes the end employer is following the rules by employing people from the outsourcing company because the employer does not know or looks the other way of the outsourcing company committing pervasive fraud. Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too. It was not based on any scientific or statistical evidence.

    >> I agree that the employer will pay the salary that is consummate with the market.
    I am glad we are on the same page on this. It is employer who decides how much to pay. Employee decides whether to take the offer or not. Simple.

    >> Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud.
    Well, you can report the fraudulent activity. If one is wronged, he/she has option of legal route and claiming punitive damages.

    >> The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living.
    If my employer pays me less salary, I have option to move to another job. Just like my employer has option to fire me and replace with another qualified worker. Again, unless otherwise, I assume all actions are legal. I don't know about you, but when I came to USA, nobody give me assurance or guarantee that this job is future will pay me at least xx k per year so as to maintain quality of life. Here, two person of equal talent, could be earning 60k and 120k per year. It depends on your skill set, how do you sell yourself, and luck. An example - I have backgound both in Comp Science and Finance, so I look for opportunities where I can use both of them for effective leverage. If you think that I didn't face outsourcing challage or was not given pink slip, then you are wrong. As most professionals, I have seen good days and not-so-good days.

    >> Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too.
    With your admission, it is employer's choice on how much to pay. As long as law is followed, you or I can NOT decide on anyone else's salary.

    >> For the most part it is if it were left to market forces. Employers, rationally, would only want as much as talent for the price they pay. Most importantly, employers would be willing to go the extra mile to sponsor green cards only if they perceive that the immigrant employee would add value both in the present and the future.
    Bad things do happen. Projects get cancelled as Customer is no longer interested. Employer wants to move from Chicago to Dallas, that may prompt employee to look elsewhere. Some employers do not process green card at all (It happened to me, a Big Bank was not processing Green Cards in 1999). You assume all good and rosy will happen to guenine employers and good employees.

    >> Now again, when I say employers, I mean the genuine employers and not the fly by night consulting body shops or the outsourcing companies.
    Just as some employers with permanent positions are not good, there are some employers in Consulting and Outsourcing world that may be good. Let USCIS and other agencies determine who are genuine employers or not.

    >> I strongly believe that EB based GC for a very large part is built on merit. You may see sme cases wherein some ordinary people getting green cards. They, in my opinion , are mostly from these body shops who got "lucky". Cant believe I am using that word !!!
    No sir. It is employer-employment based. If you don't have employer to back your I-140, how will get green card. Do you know there is a category - Eb3 skilled worker, where benefiery does not even need bachelor degree. What do you think, those people are "lucky". If so, please take your arguement to Senators and USCIS to restict GC for "merit based" only. Until then, as long as one is getting green card, as per current law, (again as per current law), who are we to complain?

    GC is not IIT-JEE exam where there is only one classification. Clear the exam and get the admission. There are varoius categories from EB-1 (Rocket Scientist) to EB-4 (Priest). This is not one-size-fits-all.

    We need to look at issues faced by EB based community from a distance and without the glasses of issues faced personally by us. Until then, it is fight that one is more deserving than the other.



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  • jonty_11
    06-28 05:16 PM
    ok u guys have forced me to pose the same question to my HR/Attorney...awaiting response.



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  • lordoftherings
    07-10 11:06 AM
    Vancouver is really a nice place with beautiful climate all the year around even better than seattle. Good Luck!!


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  • vkrishn
    07-21 02:39 PM
    I shouldn't say "Nice to see so many bay area folsk with bad expereience". I should probably use the word Interesting instead of "nice".Sorry about that.



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  • garybanz
    12-14 11:58 AM
    "The SC concluded that the statutory discrimination within the class of aliens is permissible."

    This could justify difference in say EB1, EB2 and EB3 or F visa, H Visa and L visa. How ever there is no mention that discrimination could be on the basis of sex/race/country of origin etc. IMHO an extension of standard EEO laws should be applied for EB class immigration too.

    NB: I am an HR consultant and an expert on EEO laws, I still think that this discussion is worth taking to a top constitutional attorney. An hour of his time will cost peanuts compared to what we can possibly get out of this.





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  • weasley
    01-17 09:49 AM
    Agree wth you.


    Nearly all laws/regulations originate from such garbage.

    Hira/Matloff's US born donkeys scavange these blogs 24/7. The garbage is then processed by Hira/Matloff.

    It is very unfortunate that USICS/lawmakers (other than Dustbin, Grassley, Sanders) pander to these scumbags. Such laws/regulations will not provide any relief to these donkeys.



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  • StillonH1B
    03-27 03:56 PM
    I just now posted that how no one mentioned Dr. JayaprakashNarayan. Well someone did mention.

    I guess that's not enough. There are lot of people who are not aware of this great leader.We need to spread the word about LokSatta.

    My vote is for Dr. Jaya Prakash Narayan. He has done good things as a doctor and then as a collector in AP.

    Of course he stands no chance, but I think he started a movement (grassroots) - hopefully it is the beginning of some positive change.

    Check out his speech at a Mumbai university.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4xFCdOYTv4 - Part 1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q6s1R9iBjw - Part 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6ZHak1lEr8 - Part 3

    Cheers.





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  • mchatrvd
    08-17 01:41 PM
    I agree with all of you that this is not worth talking. Instead channelize your efforts in supporting organization to contact lawmakers and make advocacy efforts.



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  • andymajumder
    06-02 03:54 PM
    I am the one , who proposed this idea, and people tend to disagree.
    I am again saying , the only solution is a lawsuit.

    Its possible we will not win such a lawsuit....I am not a lawyer, and often things which seem discriminatory to the common man, cannot be proved so in the court of law.
    Yet, such a lawsuit could get some publicity and at least highlight the baltantly unfair laws against certain groups people based on country of birth in the EB category.





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  • gc28262
    01-13 03:06 PM
    There is lot of non-sense happening in USCIS with union man, Grassley friendly, president in white house.

    Looks like this memo is inspired by anti-immigrant lawmaker Grassley's recent questions to USCIS director. I doubt USCIS has such wide powers as to define employee/employer relationship.





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  • waitingnwaiting
    01-05 05:16 PM
    Moderators , Pls delete this thread. Why is the thread posted on a immigration forum. :mad:

    Are you one of the the guys selling it? No harm listening to both sides of the argument.





    samay
    08-07 12:27 PM
    Hi

    Is it ok to work part time (say 10 hrs a week) for a different company using EAD, while working for a primary company on H1B ?

    Thanks

    Yes.





    Macaca
    01-28 09:11 AM
    This info is useful to novices for survival. Like many other postings, I had never heard about it.

    I feel the legislators are aware of these issues. These are the reasons our bill is having trouble. It is useful to be aware of them and see how we can counteract them in legislation.



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